Jacksons vs AEG - Day 55 – July 24 2013

Jacksons vs AEG - Day 55 – July 24 2013 – Summary

Katherine and Trent Jackson are at court. 


John Meglen Testimony


Jackson Cross


AEG Live executive John Meglen is back on the stand. He’s being cross examined by plaintiff’s lawyer Brian Panish. There were some testy exchanges between Meglen and Panish. The lawyer went back over a lot of Meglen’s testimony from yesterday. There were lots of objections. The judge also had to tell Meglen to give yes or no answers, and told Panish not to argue with the witness. The session actually ended when the judge called a sidebar right before the lunch break. (AP)

Panish asked Meglen about his testimony yesterday on the reported 97k attendance figure for a U2 concert at the Rose Bowl. Meglen said yesterday he didn’t believe the figure as it was reported by Billboard magazine. Panish asked him for any evidence to dispute it The executive said he didn’t have evidence to dispute the 97k attendance figure, but made clear he doesn’t believe it. (AP)

The Rose Bowl would only seat 60,000, Meglin said. Although Billboard Magazine reported that U2 performed for 97,000 people in the Pasadena, California, venue in 2009, Meglin said he was "trusting my gut" that the numbers were inflated. "I know how those numbers can be manipulated," he said.Jackson lead lawyer Brian Panish noted that 98,000 people were in the Rose Bowl seats when Michael Jacksonperformed the halftime show for Super Bowl 27 in 1993. (CNN)

Panish showed the Rose Bowl chart defendants created and asked what's the maximum seating capacity in the Rose Bowl? Meglen: There are many factors that go into that "I believe the seating capacity for a football game is 100,000," Meglen said.
Panish: For a music concert?
Meglen: You'll need to tell me the size of the production in order to tell you (ABC7)

Meglen: U2 Concert was called 360, so I'm assuming it sold 360 degrees. Meglen said he was at the Rose Bowl but didn't watch the U2 concert. Panish asked if 97,000 people sounds right. Meglen: No, I'm not aware of that because I was not involved in the show Panish asked if Meglen was saying the Rose Bowl can't fit 97,000. "I'm not trying to tell you that, it depends on the size of the production. Michael was a stage end production," Meglen opined. Meglen: If you have a center stage, 360 in the round with a small stage in the middle, you could probably get 97,000, yes. Panish asked if Billboard Magazine was wrong about U2 having 97K people. "I told you I do not believe the numbers on Billboard" Meglen said. Panish showed picture of U2 concert at the Rose Bowl. Meglen said the floor is not completely filled up. Panish asked how many seats are in the Rose Bowl. Meglen said the stadium is around 100,000 people. (ABC7)

Panish: You told us yesterday you spoke with the promoters of U2. Who did you speak with?
Meglen: Jerry Barae -- he's in Chicago (ABC7)

Meglen: I never disputed what U2 sold at Rose Bowl. I cannot tell you how much are paid tickets, how much are what we call 'paper ticket' VooDoo Lounge, 180-200 degrees, you can sell 60,000 seats, Meglen said. Panish asked if Meglen spoke with someone promoting the U2 concert at the Rose Bowl and that there were only 60,000 people there. Meglen said that was not true. (ABC7)

Panish: If you testified to that it is a lie, then?
Meglen: I don't believe that's what I testified to

"I said that I don't believe it," Meglen said, "and I still believe that's not true. My answer said it is not true they had 97,000." Meglen: When I talk about ticket sales, we talk about paid tickets. We don't really care about people who don't pay tickets. "No one from U2's group told me that 97,000 people did not attend the Rose Bowl," Meglen said. Meglen explained he based his opinion on his experience promoting and producing stadium shows for 35 years. (ABC7)

He said he doesn’t believe the 97k figure was for paid attendance, which is what matters to him and what he was referring to. Panish 
showed Meglen a photo from the U2 show. Fans were packed in the stands and hundreds were on the field. Meglen pointed out that the U2 show had a 360-degree stage that allowed them to sell tickets throughout the entire Rose Bowl. He said Michael Jackson’s stage for the “This Is It” show was different, an “end stage” setup that wouldn't allow as many concertgoers. Meglen conceded that you could probably fit 97k people in the Rose Bowl with the right stage, but they might not have all bought tickets. (AP)

Meglen smiled at Panish.
Panish: Is it funny Mr. Meglen?
Judge: Mr. Panish, don't argue -- she shook her head (ABC7)

Meglen said he's been working with Gongaware for 35 years. Panish asked if Meglen agrees with Gongaware that the sale of MJ's tickets was the fastest ever in the industry. Meglen: I don't think I agree with that statement, but I think that's what Paul thought. 
Panish: Do you agree or disagree this is the most amazing ticket sales Mr. Gongaware has ever seen?
Meglen: I agree that's the most that Paul had seen (ABC7)

Meglen said he has done tours for 35 years, probably hundreds of tours.(ABC7)

The lawyer asked about Paul Gongaware’s contention that he had never seen anything like the “This Is It” ticket demand. Panish wanted to know why Meglen didn't agree with Gongaware's characterization of the "This Is It" ticket sales. Meglen: “Paul and I have worked on different projects in our lives.” He said he couldn't give the lawyer a simple yes or no answer. Panish asked whether Meglen was denying that Jackson had “huge ticket drawing power.” Meglen responded, “Not at all.” (AP)

Panish: Do you agree with Randy Phillips, the CEO of AEG, believe Mr. Jackson had an obligation to attend rehearsal? Meglen: I don't know the context of which this question was asked. You are asking me to opine on what Randy was thinking. Meglen: I don't know if Michael had a contractual obligation. "Randy may have felt Michael was obligated, but don't know it was contractually obligated," Meglen said. Meglen: I agree that an artist should go to some of the rehearsals, yes (ABC7)

Panish asked Meglen a bit about the AEG corporate structure. Meglen reports to the CEO of AEG Inc., he said. Panish again asked Meglen about his contention from yesterday that there were bigger stars than Michael Jackson. Panish's questioning focused on AEG execs Paul Gongaware and Randy Phillips saying there was no one bigger than Jackson. The lawyer then asked Meglen whether he agreed with AEG Live CEO that Michael Jackson was bigger than Celine Dion. Meglen works directly with Dion and her tours in North America. It took him a few tries before he answered the question. He said he doesn’t believe that Phillips’ statement is true, but it was a personal opinion. “To me, she’s bigger,” Meglen said. (AP)

Panish: Do you agree with Randy Phillips that MJ was a bigger artist than Celine Dion, yes or no?
Meglen: I do, myself, personally believe that that is not true
"In my opinion Celine is right up there with Michael Jackson and is bigger," Meglen said. (ABC7)

Meglen and Panish went back-and-forth for several minutes over when AEG’s negotiations began with Jackson in 2008. Meglen didn’t remember the time frame, so Panish played his deposition in which he said the negotiations started in Fall of 2008. Panish then asked whether Meglen was personally involved in the negotiations. He said he wasn’t at the negotiating table. It took a long time and several questions to establish that Meglen was briefed about negotiations during meetings with other AEG Live execs. Meglen didn’t review the actual contracts for the “This Is It” shows, but said he had input on ticket prices, other issues. (AP)

Panish played Meglen's deposition, where he was asked when he recalled the negotiations with MJ started. Meglen said Summer or Fall 2008. Panish: Is that the truth or not, sir? Or you don't know the truth? Meglen: It's the truth, but I'm not good with dates, need to look at my calendar. (ABC7)

Meglen said he was not at the table during the negotiation, he would be at the office doing his work. Meglen: I was not personally involved, face to face, with MJ's people Meglen said that the negotiation is not only the contract, but various internal conversations about the tour. "As CEO of Concerts West, it's my job to review any negotiations people are having regarding tour," Meglen said. Meglen explained he was involved in the internal discussions, in conversations with Gongaware and Phillips. He never reviewed the contract as was being drafted, Meglen said. (ABC7)

Meglen said he was not involved in "This Is It" movie. Panish said he was credited as co-producer of the movie. Meglen said he was a co-producer of the show not the movie. Meglen explained Gongaware has not been involved in Celine Dion's tour, but they give each other credit. (ABC7)

The exec said he gave input in ticket prices, scaling and places to have the show. Panish played video deposition, where Meglen said he doesn't recall if he was involved in the forecast for MJ tour. Timm Wooley is friends of Meglen. They haven't discussed the trial. The last time they saw each other was in London for Rolling Stones show. Wooley doesn't work for AEG, but to Rolling Stones now. Hougdahl "Bugzee" is working for Shania Twain. Panish showed an email from Gongaware about MJ first draft of worldwide tour projection. It lists "net to Mikey $132 million." Email: It's a big number, but this is not a number MJ will want to hear. He thinks he is so much bigger than that. If we use show income, it's over a quarter of a billion dollars. His net share works out to be 50% after local venue and advertising costs, which is quite good. His gross will approach $ half a billion. Maybe gross is a better number to throw around, if we need to use numbers with Mikey listening.
Panish: Isn't Paul Gongaware suggesting to lie to Michael Jackson?
Meglen: No he is not (ABC7)

Panish asked Meglen is he knows Dr. Finkelstein. He said he asked which tour he was in with Michael Jackson. Meglen said he saw Dr. Finkelstein at the Coachella festival. He got tickets from AEG. (ABC7)

Meglen spoke with Gongaware about previous MJ's tour. He knows that Michael canceled a tour because MJ entered rehab. (ABc7)

After a brief break, Panish showed Meglen the AEG projections for a worldwide tour for Jackson that were displayed last week. Panish went through the list, showing that AEG had plotted out potential shows in Europe, South Africa and other locations. The lawyer pointed to several shows planned for India and his contention that big artists didn’t perform in India. Panish then rattled off several acts who peformed in India: Beyonce, Akon, Shakira, 50 Cent. Meglen didn’t dispute they performed there. “It’s not a very big market, that I do know,” Meglen said of the India concert scene. A dispute over India’s population ensued. Panish at one point said that there were billions of people in Mumbai alone, prompting several attorneys and the judge to chime in. Panish conceded the billions of people in Mumbai remark wasn't right and moved on to other topics. (AP)

Panish showed email Gongaware sent with the attachment of the worldwide MJ tour and cc'd to Meglen. It lists cities, the amount of shows and weeks in Europe, South Africa, Asia (and Middle East), India and US. 
Panish: You told us yesterday no one goes to India
Meglen: Not that many do. Again, I told you very few people, no one as in few people
Meglen said he thinks MJ did one or two shows in India.
Panish: Is Beyonce no one?
Meglen: No, she's a very popular 
Panish: Do you know she went to India?
Meglen: I have not idea
Panish also named Shakira, Akon, 50 Cent that went to India. The email projection shows 3 shows in India plus one private for MJ. (ABC7)

He next asked Meglen about Phillips’ contention in an email that Jackson could have sold out 200 shows in London. Meglen said he didn’t agree and that he didn’t believe that Jackson could have done 200 shows in London. Asked if Phillips’ statement in the email was a false one, Meglen said yes. He added that no one in the business has a “crystal ball.” He said Phillips may have believed that was true, but he didn't believe Jackson could have done 200 shows in London. Panish asked some questions about how many tickets people could buy for the “This Is It” shows. Meglen said he didn’t know. Meglen and Panish went back-and-forth about it for a few questions, then the judge called a sidebar. (AP)

Meglin also disagreed with what one of his superiors, AEG Live CEO Randy Phillips, wrote in an e-mail that there was enough demand in England alone to sell out more that 200 Jackson shows. "He believed that," Meglin testified. "I don't believe that." (CNN)

Meglen said he does not believe MJ could sell 200 shows in London. Panish said Randy Phillips said that. "My opinion is no, that he he could not have done 200 shows in London," Meglen testified. Panish showed an email from Phillips saying "We could have done 200+ shows based on demand." Meglen said he does not believe that is true. "He believed that, I don't believe that." "No one has a crystal ball in our business," Meglen said. "He could've done 200 shows is purely speculation on his behalf." Panish asked if Phillips was more hands on than he was in "This Is It" tour. He said yes. “I don't know if I agree there were 525,000 people in the queue," Meglan opined. "Everybody exaggerates, and when something is hot everyone wants to take it to the moon," Meglen said. Panish asked Meglen to assume Randy Phillips told the truth. "I know it's a big assumption," Panish said. Defendants' attorney objected, judge sustained it and asked to go to sidebar to talk to attorneys. Attorneys went to judge's chamber and talked for about 10 minutes. They came back and judge broke session for lunch. (ABC7)

Panish corrected himself about number of people living in India. Earlier he said several billion people live there, but should be millions. "I understand you are mistaken," Meglen said. "It doesn't mean you are a liar." Panish said he would not respond to Meglen's comment. (ABC7)

Regarding India, Meglen explained: "I don't think it's a small market, I think it's an under developed market." Meglen said he knows that Michael played in India, heard from Panish that Beyonce went to India. (ABC7)

Panish: When you testified yesterday, you didn't know anyone that had gone to India, correct?
Meglen: No, that's not correct (ABC7)

Panish: Are there a lot of stadiums in the world that hold more than 60,000?
Meglen: Yes, there are a lot of soccer stadiums in the world
Panish: In Australia?
Meglen: Yes (ABC7)

Meglen said he does not recall how many times MJ sold out in London.(ABC7)

Leonard Cohen -- AEG promoted and produced worldwide tour, Meglen said. 
Panish: Did you hire a doctor for Leonard Cohen?
Meglen: We do not hire doctors (ABC7)

Panish asked if Meglen has had experience where the CEO is involved in doing an intervention with an artist. Meglen said he's aware of it happening before in the early 80s, not at AEG. He was involved minimally in the intervention. (ABC7)

Meglen said he has not had emails from show managers at AEG saying the artist was deteriorating. "I've had situation where the production manager had emails about the artist's behavior," Meglen testified. "I've had situations where artists had been sick before, yes," Meglen said. Panish: Have you ever called the doctor for 30 minutes to discuss the artist's condition? Meglen: No (ABC7)
Panish asked if Meglen had ever seen an email saying AEG wanted to remind the doctor they are paying the bill. The exec said no. (ABC7)

Meglen: I'm aware of us checking people out. "We don't hire doctors, if the artist wants his doctor there, the way we check that out we go to the artist," Meglen said. "If I'm asking the artist if that's his doctor, that's throughly checking him out," Meglen explained. (ABc7)

Meglen: I asked MJ if he was performing this and he told me he did not want to do (a residency show in Las Vegas). "I think MJ would have to do over 2.5 shows a week or you couldn't have such a deal," Meglen said. (ABC7)


AEG redirect

In re-direct, Jessica Bina asked about the proposal for the Las Vegas show in 2010 with MJ's Estate. "There are numbers for per week, per year for the first 5 performance years, then next 5 performance years," Meglen explained. Meglen said he became aware Cirque du Soleil was anxious to get a deal done with the Estate to have a MJ show. Meglen said his argument was that there was something better to do. (ABC7)

Meglen: We don't have a crystal ball (on whether show would be successful or not). (ABC7)

Bina asked if artist is in the middle of stadium w/ microphone if there are reasons the show couldn't be filled to capacity. Meglan said no. Bina: But does it happen very often? Meglen: No. Meglen: Artist has to be comfortable with all around stage, production becomes very challenging and incredibly expensive as well as sales. "This Is It" was not set to be a 360 degree show, Meglen said. He noted it was quite the opposite. MJ's production was $26-$27 million. Meglen said for TII to become 360 degree tour, there would be cost associated with it. "Pretty much, it would have to be a new production." Meglen explained 180-240 degrees in front of the stage is the standard in the business. Meglen said if he could sell more tickets for TII he would have. "It's nothing but profit at that point." The executive said there was never a conversation about making TII show 360 degree. (ABC7)

Meglen said again he doesn't agree with Phillips' opinion that there were 200+ more shows to be done in London. Meglen said putting 13 million tickets on sale was not on his mind. He expected the London shows to do well. The executive said when MJ said "This is It" people thought that was it. But if he went to other cities, this was not it after all. Meglen said that at the time MJ died there were only 50 shows agreed upon between MJ and AEG. Meglen said that for lower ticket price TII was a great sale. (ABC7)


Jackson recross

Panish: Were Paul Gongaware and Randy Phillips more involved in TII than you?
Meglen: Yes (ABC7)

The executive said he never told Gongaware and Phillips the projection was bad, only that he thought it was a long ways to get to the end. (ABC7)


AEG redirect

Meglen said Beatles' "Love" and Cirque du Soleil "O" are two of the most successful conceptional shows. (ABC7)

Bina showed Gongaware's email again: Here's the first-draft look at a worldwide tour... you can't pin this down now... too many variables. (ABC7)

Meglen said it's not possible to see the Beatles anymore, since some members are dead. Meglen: If Michael was still alive and touring, I would not be interested in doing a MJ conceptional show. (ABC7)


Jackson recross

Panish asked if MJ wanted to go worldwide, AEG would've been able to make that happen. Meglen said he could've set up the arrangements. "I cannot tell you how many more Michael Jackson tours he could've done it, it's pure speculation," Meglen said. 
Panish: Did you know MJ told his children they would go on a world tour?
Meglen: I have no idea (ABC7)

Meglen was excused. 


Dr. Alimorad Farshchian Video Deposition

Deposition was in August 2012. Marvin Putnam did the questioning. Dr. Farshchian went to Rutger's University, graduated in 1983 with pre-med. He went to medical school in Saint Lucia in 1987. After that he did cardiac research at SUNY in Brooklyn. He did that for 3-4 years. He then did residency in internal medicine and family medicine, went to private practice. Dr. Farshchian is not board certified. Center for Regenerative Medicine is his practice in Florida. He's the medical director. (ABC7)

Dr. Farshchian treated MJ in April 2001 and stopped in 2003. 'I was one of his doctors," he said. Dr. Farshchian said MJ was having an issue with his ankle, he was supposed to performed at Madison Square Garden, had to rehearse. Dr. Farshchian: And he had an ankle issue that was more like a sprained ankle that was not healing and he had to continue to dance on it. "He made an appointment like everybody else," Dr. Farshchian said. (ABC7)

Putnam asked if MJ wanted to get off drugs, if that happened at the hotel in a second meeting with the doctor. He said yes. Putnam: Do you remember the first time he told you he wanted to clean himself up from drugs? "He was trying to get off Demerol," Dr. Farshchian said. MJ told him he had a problem with the drug. Dr. Farshchian said MJ's main concern was his kids, always his kids, I'd do for my kids, and to spend more time with his kids. (ABC7)

At that time, Dr. Farshchian said he wasn't following MJ on the media. At that point, to me he was just a regular patient. Dr Farshchian: When I got to know him I visited him at the hotel, read a little about him on the internet, then realized was ongoing problem (ABc7)

Putnam: Did MJ tell you he was addicted to Demerol?
Dr. Farshchian: Not in certain words
Putnam: Did he seek treatment with you?
Dr. Farshchian: Eventually (ABC7)

Dr. Farshchian: To treat Michael for that problem, I thought that because he travelled quite a bit he needed something to be on him. I chose Naltrexone, Dr. Fashchian testified. The drug inhibits the effects of the narcotics, if you take it it stops giving you the euphoria. Dr. Farshchian said he implanted more than one patch of the drug in MJ. It normally lasts 60-90 days in the body. MJ had patch implanted 5 times. Dr. Farshchian said in training in family medicine, he learned about psychiatry and drug dependency. Dr. Farshchian: The implant, back then it was more popular, not doing as much anymore. The doctor said carrying an implant in you, you carry a risk of infection. That could be a reason they don't do it that much. Dr. Farshchian said MJ's skin would have allergy from the patch, he wouldn't be very comfortable with it. Dr. Farshchian: It's usually placed in the abdomen lower than belly button, right or left side, and removed after 90 days. (ABC7)

Medical record timeline (ABC7)


21 Jul 02 -- sent more information about Buprenex, since did not get any respond (sic) from him and attempt to intervene.

Jackson had some sort of infection on his leg, he was going to Germany at the time, so Dr Farshchian went with him for treatment of his condition

20 Oct 02 -- patient states he need some help him with his addiction problem. He does not wish to go to an outpatient rehab facility despite the pressure from family. Discussed with him option of Naltrexone. 

Dr. Farshchian said Jackson was adamant about not going to rehab facility. He was concerned about his privacy and paparazzi.

04 Nov 02 -- Jackson's weight was 128 -- pre-procedure, cut the skin, insert implant chip of Naltrexone.

Dr. Farshchian used local anesthesia with lidocaine 1%, done as outpatient in doctor's office in Miami.

06 Nov 02 -- phone call, states he's doing well tolerating minimum agitation, little insomnia

Dr. Farshchian said it was a 10 hour production to go from Neverland to Miami. Jackson said he was going to see a psychologist. "Jackson was very private with everything," Dr. Farshchian said. At the time, he was complaining of insomnia. He was seeing a herbologist for it. Dr. Farshchian said Jackson always had trouble sleeping. "To me his insomnia was caused, possibly, you have this area inside the nose...called turbinates, if you reduced it's called empty nose syndrome, to me that was the cause of that. Putnam asked if parts of Jackson’s nose were missing? Dr. Farshchian’s response, “ Portions of his nose were taken out. (Jurors heard from Farschian that Jackson suffered from insomnia years earlier. The doctor's theory is that it was linked to cosmetic surgery: a key part of Jacksons nose was missing. "It is possible that you produce what they call empty nose syndrome and producing insomnia," said Farschian.)

Two days later, Jackson reported good nights.”

26 Nov 02 -- ankle wound is better, but he had taken the implant out by a physician at home, wishes to do another implant

Dr. Farshchian said Michael had a local doctor who didn't know what the patch was and removed it. Jackson would itch it, had some skin rash. Michael really wanted to do this, he came back to get the procedure done, Dr. Farshchian said.

26 Nov 02 -- second procedure of Naltrexone 

27 Nov 02 -- no nausea, vomiting, diarrhea. Abdomen implant well placed Naltrexone implant: continue current treatment, patient sober x 20 days

29 Nov 02 -- feels very good, sleeping well. No sign of opiate withdrawal.

Dr. Farshchian: My practice is completely orthopedic regeneration. He said he treats arthritis and orthopedic conditions.

02 Dec 02 -- feels very good, sleeping well Patient sober, now going over the 12 steps with him

Dr. Farshchian: Each of the steps is somewhat connected of asking God to help you get strength to battle addiction. There was a period of time Jackson stayed with Dr. Farshchian, he stayed over two times, the children one time. The doctor lives in North Miami Beach, Bay Harbor Island. Grace Rwamba might've stayed at the house as well. Dr. Farshchian said he converted his garage into a bedroom for Jackson. He never treated Jackson at the house.

04 Dec 02 -- Narcan implant at its place Exercised the 12 steps with him

20 Jan 03 -- patient returns for another implant, been sober for more than 2 months, states been following the 12 step program Weight: 135 lbs

03 Apr 03 -- patient returns for another implant, sober for almost 6 months following 12 step program at least once a week with private social worker

02 Jul 03 -- patient returned for another implant, sober for almost 9 months, good with 12 step program

Patient can follow up with local physician at this point. Dr. Farshchian said he thought it was enough, the treatment was done.

(About the plaintiffs claim that Jackson was emaciated, the autopsy recorded he was 136 pounds when he died. Farschian testified that Jackson weighed 128 when he treated him.)

The next time Dr. Farshchian saw Michael was the weekend after he was arrested.
Putnam: How was he doing?
Dr. Farshchian: Not too good
Putnam: Was he using drugs again?
Dr. Farshchian: No (ABC7)

Dr. Farshchian: There was an attempt intervention by the family but MJ was very difficult to get to, bodyguard, so it may not have happened. Putnam asked if the intervention was in the Spring of 2002. Dr. Farshchian said it might've been after or before, not sure. (ABC7)

Dr. Farshchian is not aware of MJ doing any other outpatient treatment. (ABC7)

Dr. Farshchian said when MJ's third child, Blanket, was just born, there was 'a monkey on his back', he didn't want to do it anymore. "Monkey on his back" was Demerol use, Dr. Farshchian said. Dr. Farshchian said he didn't know why MJ became addicted or started taking Demerol. The doctor said MJ did not abuse other drugs or alcohol. (ABC7)

MJ was seeing other doctors in CA.
List of other doctors:
Dr. William Van Valin -- Dr. Farshchian doesn't know him
Dr. Murray -- Dr. Farshchian doesn't know him
Dr. Arnold Klein -- yes, I heard about him through the media
Dr. Steven Hoefflin -- Dr. Farshchian doesn't know him
Dr. Metzger-- yes, heard being MJ's physician in LA, might have spoken to him. Spoke about implants, what to do about it, how he should look (ABC7)

Last time Dr. Farshchian spoke with Mrs. Jackson was at the funeral. Before he spoke with her at a 2002 Christmas at Neverland. He said he also had a phone call with Mrs. Jackson where she wanted to know about the implants. Michael called Mrs. Jackson and Dr. Farshchian said he was treating MJ for addiction to Demerol. (ABC7) The doctor said he talked to her directly about the singer's detox treatment."I think she wanted to know all about it, what was going on," said Farschian. (ABC)

Last time he spoke with MJ on the phone was in the Winter of 2004. His first impression was that he wanted to get better for the kids' sake. (ABC7)

Did you understand Mrs. Jackson was concerned about his health? Dr. Farshchian: Yes, I don't recall the conversation, but once she understood the procedure he said she was happy Dr. Farshchian: Once at Neverland Michael showed his mother the implant. She was very happy about it. (ABC7) The doctor said he implanted Jackson five times over nine months and that he personally witnessed Mrs. Jackson examining her son's incision. "I remember that was in Neverland. Michael did show the implant to his mother. Just his mother was there. She was very happy," said Farschian. (ABC)